Memorandum for the Record
Puthoff vs. Sarfatti
Who's on first?
OK Hal, gotchya with your hand in the Cookie
Jar! :-)
Ladies and Gentlemen of The Jury
I give you
Duel in the Sun
http://home.hiwaay.net/~oliver/duel.html
The Smoking Gun
Hal Puthoff on April 15, 2004: "Jack, this
is what I mean about your misrepresentations and pseudocriticism of my
work. I'm not trying to scale up the Casimir force effect, never have,
never even thought about it. Discussion of the Casimir effect in ZPE
discussions are purely pedagogical, not application oriented, and this is clear
to everyone else on your list who emails me privately. The devices that
have not scaled up are Ken's charge cluster devices, not Casimir devices.
My thoughts for ZPE extraction are based on totally different other
approaches. I understand Petersen's work and the implications long before
I ever even heard of Petersen. Where in my work have I ever talked about
scaling up Casimir effect for engineering energy extraction devices,
where?!"
Hal Puthoff in March 1, 2004 Aviation Week's
"To The Stars": ""Then the Casimir effect was found to be a
natural
embodiment of natural principles," Puthoff
said. "The [general] reaction was: 'OK, but it's a small effect. It's
never going to be useful for making energy' Ñ just like what was said about
nuclear energy. So, we're now at the stage of looking for the equivalent of
Fermi's neutron-source catalyst Ñ something that ignites the ZPE process."
Now I know we are in the middle of The Decline
and Fall of Western Civilization where even "smart people" have lost
their ability to reason and think critically. So let me spell it out. Hal here
compares the Casimir force to nuclear energy! Capische? Have you all connected
the dots yet? ;-)
On Apr 15, 2004, at 2:06 PM, Puthoff@aol.com wrote:
In
a message dated 4/15/04 3:52:35 PM, sarfatti@pacbell.net
writes:
If Ken Shoulder's charge clusters are not glued
together by the zero
point Casimir force then how are they glued
together and how do you
hope to use them to extract vacuum energy?
(1)
I don't know how they're glued together, nor (2) whether they can be used to
extract vacuum energy, and (3) I'm not working on charge clusters.
See
what I mean?! Talk about misrepresentation!
Hal
Well let's see who is really
"misrepresenting" Hal?
1. "The most straight-forward evidence for
vacuum energy is the Casimir effect. Get two metal plates close enough together
and this vacuum energy will push them together. This is because the plates
block out the light waves that are too big to fit between the plates.
Eventually you have more waves bouncing on the outside than from the inside,
the plates will get pushed together from this difference in light pressure.
This effect has been experimentally demonstrated.
Can
we tap into this energy?
It is doubtful that this can be tapped, and if
it could be tapped, it is unknown what the secondary consequences would be.
Remember that this is our lowest energy point. To get energy out, you
presumably need to be at a lower energy state. Theoretical methods have been
suggested to take advantage of the Casimir effect to extract energy (let the
plates collapse and do work in the process) since the region inside the Casimir
cavity can be interpreted as being at a lower energy state. Such concepts are
only at the point of theoretical exercises at this point.
With such large amount of energy, why is it so hard to
notice?
Imagine, for example, if you lived on a large
plateau, so large that you didnÕt know you were 1000 ft up. From your point of
view, your ground is at zero height. As long as your not near the edge of your
1000 ft plateau, you wonÕt fall off, and you will never know that your zero is
really 1000. ItÕs kind of the same way with this vacuum energy. It is
essentially our zero reference point.
What about propulsion implications?
The vacuum fluctuations have also been theorized
by Haisch, Rueda, and Puthoff to cause gravity and inertia. Those particular
gravity theories are still up for debate. Even if the theories are correct, in
their present form they do not provide a means to use electromagnetic means to
induce propulsive forces. It has also been suggested by Millis that any
asymmetric interactions with the vacuum energy might provide a propulsion
effect."
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/PAO/html/warp/possible.htm#vac
2. " The Electrostatic Interaction of Neutral Matter
Ian R. Peterson1 and Robert M. Metzger2
1. Centre for Molecular and Biomolecular
Electronics,
Coventry University, Priory Street, Coventry,
CV1 5FB, UK.
2. Laboratory for Molecular Electronics,
Chemistry Department,
The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa AL
35487-0336 USA
....
The complexity of the Casimir analysis has led
to some untenable assertions. It
has been claimed that the parallel-mirror
configuration provides access to an infinite
source of energy [18,19]. However the maximum
energy that can be extracted by
allowing the separation of the mirrors to drop
to zero cannot exceed the surface energy
...
18. R Forward Phys. Rev. B 30, 1700 (1984).
19. D C Cole, H E Puthoff Phys. Rev. E 48,
1562-1565 (1993)."
3. From Victor Martinez, who likes to stick in
CAPS. They are not mine:
TO THE STARS: ONE OF AMERICA's LEADING
THEORETICAL
PHYSICISTS
AND EXPERTS WEIGHS IN ON 'ZERO POINT ENERGY' FOR
AEROSPACE VEHICLE PROPULSION / ZERO POINT ENERGY
EMERGES FROM REALM OF
SCIENCE FICTION / MAY BE KEY TO DEEP-SPACE
TRAVEL! Ð
By William B Scott, Austin, TX, Aviation Week
&
Space Technology, March
1, 2004 edition / Posted on Wednesday, March 10,
2004 18:45:31 PST
[Overtone writes: Aviation Week & Space
Technology
March 1, 2004, pp.
50-53.
Note: The article below has been edited and
shortened to highlight energy conversion, rather
than space propulsion.
Zero point energy emerges from realm of science
fiction. Comment and
reviews follow.]
"At least two large aerospace companies and
one U.S. Defense Dept. agency
are betting that "zero point energy"
could be the next breakthrough in
aerospace, and are backing those bets with seed
money for ZPE research.
If their efforts pay off, ZPE-driven power
plants might enable Mach 4
fighters, quiet 1,200-seat hypersonic airliners
that
fly at 100-mi. altitudes as far as 12,000 mi. in
about 70 min., and
12.6-hr. trips to the Moon.
ONE OF THOSE companies, BAE Systems, launched
"PROJECT GREENGLOW" in 1986 "to
provide a focus for research into novel
propulsion systems and the means to power
them," said R.A. Evans, the
project leader, in a technical paper last year.
At least one large U.S. aerospace company is
embarking on ZPE research
in response to a Defense Dept. request, but the
company and its customer
cannot be identified yet. National laboratories,
the military services
and other companies either now have or have had
low-level ZPE-related
efforts underway.
The concept of zero point energy is rooted in
quantum theory, and is difficult for even the
technically minded to grasp.
But theories validated by meticulous experiments
have confirmed
that so-called "empty space" or what
scientists call the "quantum vacuum"
actually is teeming with activity. Tiny
electromagnetic fields
continuously fluctuate around their
"zero-baseline" values, even when the
temperature drops to absolute zero (0 K) and all
thermal effects have
ceased.
A LEADING RESEARCHER in this realm of new
physics,
HAL E. PUTHOFF, director of the Institute for
Advanced Studies (at
Austin), explains zero point energy this way:
"When you get down to the tiniest quantum
levels,
everything's always 'jiggly.' Nothing is
completely still, even at
absolute zero. That's why it's called 'zero
point energy,' because, if you
were to cool the universe down to absolute zero
Ð where all thermal
motions were frozen out Ñ you'd still have
residual motion. The energy
associated with that 'jiggling' will remain,
too."
For most technologists, quantum theory conjures
up
images of extremely minuscule particles and
field effects. Why would
aerospace companies and governments invest in
researching "jiggles" that
defy measurement? Because those quantum or
vacuum fluctuations Ð the
"jiggles" of zero point energy Ñ if
tapped somehow, could produce
stupendous amounts of energy and enable
deep-space voyages that are
impossible for today's propulsion methods.
"Human transportation within the Solar
system will
only become technologically practical if there
is a breakthrough
in terms of speed, coupled with an adequate
energy/fuel supply," Evans
said.
Energy densities (the amount of energy per unit
volume) of the quantum vacuum are comparable to
those of nuclear energy Ñ
or even greater. Consequently, its potential as
an energy source is
absolutely enormous. Quantifying the potential
of ZPE is difficult, and
scientists are reluctant to translate the huge
numbers predicted by
quantum theory into terms easily grasped.
Puthoff's explanation is particularly graphic,
though: "It (sounds)
ridiculous, but theoretically, there's enough
[zero point] energy in the
volume of a coffee cup to more than evaporate
all the world's oceans,"
Puthoff said. "But that's if you could get
at all of it, and you obviously can't."
"The potential is practically limitless;
way beyond
what can be conceived. But until we learn what
ZPE embodiment to
use [an engineering process to extract ZPE], and
to what frequency we
can effectively extract the energy, it's really
hard to make a
practical statement about how much you can
actually use," he cautioned.
"So
far, the embodiments are pitifully small."
[Experiments] have produced about the same amount of
energy as a butterfly's wing Ñ picowatts or so.
But the potential is there."
That staggering potential has kept researchers
pursuing a "new physics" that some
critics classify as near-science fiction.
Still, respected scientists and government
agencies believe the quest
is worth investing time, effort and money. In
1986, the U.S. Air Force solicited
"Non-conventional Propulsion Concepts"
under a Small
Business Innovation Research program. One of the
six areas of interest
was "Esoteric energy sources, including the
zero point quantum dynamic
energy of vacuum space . . . ."
In particular, the late Robert Forward, a
respected scientist recommended additional research of the "Casimir
effect," which had suggested the existence
of ZPE decades earlier. This
phenomenon is attributed to H.G.B. Casimir, a
Dutch researcher,
who, in 1948, confirmed the reality of quantum
vacuum energy by
calculating the value of a small force between
two uncharged metal plates.
"IF YOU PUT TWO metal plates very close
together, they partially shield
some ZPE frequencies," Puthoff explained.
"That means the energy
bouncing back and forth between the plates is
less than the energy
outside, so the plates get pushed together.
Radiation pressure outside
the plates is greater than radiation pressure in
the somewhat-shielded
area between the plates. The plates coming
together
convert vacuum energy to heat."
In 1997, Steve K. Lamoreaux, a University of
Washington atomic physicist at the time,
conducted precise measurements of the Casimir
effect.
His results almost perfectly matched the
predictions of quantum electrodynamics theory,
according to a peer-reviewed paper in the Jan.
6, 1997, issue of Physical Review Letters.
When NASA established the Breakthrough
Propulsion
Physics (BPP) program in 1996 to research
advanced forms of space
transportation, it focused on three objectives:
Ð Propulsion that required NO propellant mass.
Ð Propulsion that attained the maximum transit
speeds physically
possible.
Ð Breakthrough methods of energy production to
power
such devices.
Through private funding, Puthoff and his team
have
secured patents based on converting ZPE to
"miniature ball lightning Ñ
micron-size lightning Ñ using a very small
traveling wave tube," he said."
Note that these are exactly Ken Shoulders
"charge clusters" about which Puthoff writes today:
On Apr 15, 2004, at 2:06 PM, Puthoff@aol.com wrote:
In
a message dated 4/15/04 3:52:35 PM, sarfatti@pacbell.net
writes:
If Ken Shoulder's charge clusters are not glued
together by the zero
point Casimir force then how are they glued
together and how do you
hope to use them to extract vacuum energy?
(1) I don't know how they're glued together, nor
(2) whether they can be used to extract vacuum energy, and (3) I'm not working
on charge clusters.
See what I mean?! Talk about
misrepresentation!
Hal
Hal is hard to pin down. Who is better at
evading relevant questions? Hal Puthoff or President Bush in his last press
conference? - both from Austin, Texas! :-)
Back to Aviation Week:
"It appeared to demonstrate the principle
[of ZPE extraction], but
we were never successful in scaling it up to
useful levels. We're
now working on various engineering embodiments
to do that, but
we're not there yet."
Such as?
"As to where we stand on energy exchange
[research],
the force levels and amount of energy are piddly
Ñ real, but
extremely small," Millis added. (See added
comment above).
(But) there are striking and encouraging
parallels
between the evolvement of ZPE and the history of
nuclear energy
research. Albert Einstein's equations showed
that an infinitesimal
amount of mass could be converted to a
tremendous amount of energy via
nuclear reactions. Initially, scientists
insisted something was wrong;
the numbers were just too large. They didn't
make sense. But the
mathematics were incontrovertible."
Where is Puthoff's mathematics on this? The two
situations are not analogous.
"Then natural radioactivity was discovered,
validating Einstein's equations. However, energy
releases found in nature
were so small that even Einstein believed
radiation could never be
harnessed as a useful energy source.
"At that time, it looked like [nuclear]
fission was
going nowhere," Puthoff said. "The big
breakthrough came when
[atomic physicist Enrico] Fermi did his famous
experiment at the University of
Chicago. He found that a material releasing lots
of neutrons could act
as a catalyst and start a runaway reaction.
Fission would take off and
cause a big effect Ñ eventually the atomic bomb
in the weapons [arena]
and nuclear reactors in the energy [production]
area."
There is, in fact, a really big breakthrough
from "precision cosmology." It's called "dark energy."
It is a real anti-gravity field of negative zero
point quantum pressure that is 73% of the Universe!
Any mention of it in Aviation Week by Puthoff or
Millis? NO! Why is that? Why did Puthoff and
Millis fail to connect the dots? They are
already connected in my two books from 2002
"Destiny Matrix" and "Space-Time
and Beyond II" copyrighted in the Library of Congress in D.C.
"Zero point energy has a similar history.
Predictions
from quantum mechanics said ZPE existed, but the
huge numbers
associated with it prompted questions about the
mathematics' validity
and suspicions of errors in quantum theory.
Here it comes! The Smoking Gun! Puthoff talking
about the Casimir force in Aviation Week, March 1, 2004
"Then the Casimir effect was found to be a
natural
embodiment of natural principles," Puthoff
said.
"The [general] reaction was: 'OK, but it's
a
small effect. It's never going to be useful for
making energy' Ñ just like what was said about
nuclear energy. So, we're
now at the stage of looking for the equivalent
of Fermi's neutron-source
catalyst Ñ something that ignites the ZPE
process."
But today Puthoff wrote:
On Apr 15, 2004, at 1:19 PM, Puthoff@aol.com wrote:
In
a message dated 4/15/04 11:17:12 AM, sarfatti@pacbell.net
writes:
PS I have correctly said that if Hal understood
the physics better he
would understand why he has not been able to
scale up any Casimir force
effect. If Hal understood Ian Peterson's work he
would realize he is
wasting significant money in trying to do so.
Hal's misunderstanding of
the theory has consequences for his engineering.
Jack, this is what I mean about your
misrepresentations and pseudocriticism of my work. I'm not trying to
scale up the Casimir force effect, never have, never even thought about
it. Discussion of the Casimir effect in ZPE discussions are purely
pedagogical, not application oriented, and this is clear to everyone else on
your list who emails me privately. The devices that have not scaled up
are Ken's charge cluster devices, not Casimir devices. My thoughts for
ZPE extraction are based on totally different other approaches. I
understand Petersen's work and the implications long before I ever even heard
of Petersen. Where in my work have I ever talked about scaling up Casimir
effect for engineering energy extraction devices, where?!
This is what I mean. Your straw men about, and the
subsequent criticisms of, my work are all over the Internet. None
apply.
My
only question is whether you really don't understand my work, or you do, but
misrepresent it intentionally. Those are the only two options.
Hal
Back to Aviation Week:
"But is harnessing ZPE feasible, and, if
so, how
soon? If the expectations of cutting-edge
scientists are any
guide, a ZPE power source could be in sight.
"I'd say our confidence level [of a
breakthrough] is 50% or better. We have some ideas that we're exploring, but
we're not
ready to talk about them," Puthoff hedged.
"The big hurdle is finding an embodiment that will permit scale-ups to
useful levels of energy Ñ
finding the catalyst for accelerating currently
known processes. If our [research] is successful, almost assuredly there'd be
no
problem with small units Ñ a few cubic
centimeters of ZPE Ñ providing enough energy to power spaceships."
As to when a breakthrough might occur,
"We're definitely not stumbling around in the dark anymore," Puthoff
continued. "It's been shown that ZERO POINT ENERGY IS REAL and has REAL
CONSEQUENCES. It's definitely a technology that's NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME, but
it's definitely READY FOR SERIOUS SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATION."
Talk is cheap. Let's see some hard evidence.
Some plausible ideas without compromising "trade secrets." Is there
any there there? If it's so "Black", so Hush Hush, so super-secret
then why puff about it in Aviation Week?
"Based on a historical cycle of
breakthroughs in
transportation technology, the human race is due
for another big
leap in about 2012. Last year, Allen predicted
one would occur "within a
decade or two. This stage is equivalent to where
aeronautics was in
the 1890s."
Still, NASA's Millis urges caution. "I really DON'T want to raise
people's expectations too much," he
said. "To get overly excited
causes
more damage [in the field of ZPE research] than
skeptics do. We need to
make sure we're not extending our claims beyond
what the evidence points
us to today."
Why do Hal's claims here remind me of the Neo
Con hype of WMD in Iraq prior to March 20, 2003?
The Austin Effect? :-)
"To be impartial, I'd say were NOT ON THE
VERGE of grandiose breakthroughs.
But, we have another
embryonic field opening up to us."
I do not know where Victor Martinez got the
stuff below? CAPS not mine.